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Post a reason you think social media should GO or STAY (up to you) ---

1. It is the reason Trump got elected and was able to cause the capitol riots.
2. It was responsible for the BLM riots as well (sever property damage, lives lost etc etc)
3. It is responsible for countless lives destroyed by cancel culture.
4. Right now there is a "shoot up your school" challenge on TikTok.
5. Countless other shootings were aided by Social Media (like the "Subscribe To PewDiePie" shooting)
6. A lot of people are encouraged to self-harm, like Eugenia Cooney, who starves herself and encourage others to starve themselves via Social Media.
7. It makes total a***oles rich and famous.

In other words, social media is dangerous, it hurts more than it helps.

...unfortunately a lot of this post is painfully true... wish it was not.

Anyway, why should social media stay or go? What did I miss?

Oh yeah!!!

8.  It allows people to catfish each other.
9. It enables creepy people to do creepy things, like fury conventions... the NSFW kind... lmao.
10. It gives people with no college education or real world experience to be listened to & seen as credible when they are not.

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There is no going back, but the road forwards will have many bumps.

The end product, once the world standards are set, will likely by quite a decent communication system.

The personal renderings and social sites might have to be separated from the more, what, mundane or learned sites somehow. An expert award system perhaps.

Eventually, no one will be able to get away from their content and lies will forever be tied to our real selves.

Fear not. In 10 or 20 years, none of this will matter as people will have learned that face to face is human and face to screen is not.

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4 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Fear not. In 10 or 20 years, none of this will matter as people will have learned that face to face is human and face to screen is not.

20 years ago social media was not controlling elections or starting riots/ending lives.

What is your evidence that things are getting better considering more people are seemingly d***g because of social media every year?

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All of those seem like the best reasons why social media needs to go. It's gotten worse throughout the years with cancel culture, cyber bullying, etc. I believe it does cause more harm and I can't think of many reasons why it's good other than meeting new people and creating friendships, although you can't always trust people you only know online.

Another reason it's bad is because people will compare themselves to other people. Like you'll see a post where it looks like someone is living the life and it can make you feel bad about yourself or jealous because you will start to compare what you have to what they have. I'm guilty of that myself.

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I would have to agree with shutting down Social media. It has brought on a lot of mental illness and anxiety. People project how perfect they are while onlookers wish they had that life not knowing its all a façade. Its actually pretty cruel when you think about it. I shut down my personal Facebook I just use Facebook to promote my business. In addition, social medial shows you way more about people than you need to know. Like for example, have you ever really respected someone and then saw a social media post they made and it kind of change how you felt about them. Made you think to yourself “Ewww, that’s how you feel about that…well OK.”

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1 hour ago, Admin said:

20 years ago social media was not controlling elections or starting riots/ending lives.

What is your evidence that things are getting better considering more people are seemingly d***g because of social media every year?

Social media of the past did all you say it did not do.

It's u**y side is just more apparent now that it is more visible.

The young are not ready to face just what humans really are.

All the dirty little secrets and habits that we see in ourselves are starting to disgust us, as we also recognize them in ourselves.

Nice that as it will perhaps make our more intelligent generations more civilized.

I cannot answer your last because one of the fears of the newer generations is disliking certain terms.

It is our natural insecurity pampered with political correctness gone way too far over to the right wing.

I have no idea what you are trying to say thanks to ***s.

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54 minutes ago, Bruja626 said:

I would have to agree with shutting down Social media. It has brought on a lot of mental illness and anxiety. People project how perfect they are while onlookers wish they had that life not knowing its all a façade. Its actually pretty cruel when you think about it. I shut down my personal Facebook I just use Facebook to promote my business. In addition, social medial shows you way more about people than you need to know. Like for example, have you ever really respected someone and then saw a social media post they made and it kind of change how you felt about them. Made you think to yourself “Ewww, that’s how you feel about that…well OK.”

I have noted an age difference here, I think, but if this is this is the up and coming generation, I might have lucked out as you guys are showing more intellect than I was giving. Thumbs up.

Now if I do not get banned too quickly, I might get to lose an argument or two and actually learn from you up and comers.

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1 hour ago, Bruja626 said:

I would have to agree with shutting down Social media. It has brought on a lot of mental illness and anxiety. People project how perfect they are while onlookers wish they had that life not knowing its all a façade. Its actually pretty cruel when you think about it. I shut down my personal Facebook I just use Facebook to promote my business. In addition, social medial shows you way more about people than you need to know. Like for example, have you ever really respected someone and then saw a social media post they made and it kind of change how you felt about them. Made you think to yourself “Ewww, that’s how you feel about that…well OK.”

Part of life is thickening our skins. Body and soul.

That is done through physical and mental conflict.

We are created to compete and it is a certain type of mental or physical competitor who is seen as a bully.

To your last.

We all make mistake buddy.

Girdle your loins tighter next time, and don't be such a wuss.

Kidding, sheehh.

Regards

DL

 

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I don't think social media is really a net good, but just for fun for this forum thread, I'll post rebuttals for the 10 points made in the original post

2 hours ago, Admin said:

1. It is the reason Trump got elected and was able to cause the capitol riots.

....okay, I can't deny that. I guess some people would argue that Trump's election was a good thing, but it's a pretty much universal understanding that the capitol riots were organised via social media, and were a bad thing.

2 hours ago, Admin said:

2. It was responsible for the BLM riots as well (sever property damage, lives lost etc etc)

I think this is mixing up the BLM protests, and the riots that happened within them. The original sentiment that initiated the BLM protests last year, for example, was that, socially, black people are not always being treated equally, and that idea had gained traction when videos of the innocent George Floyd's m**der at the hands of a police officer were spread online. I would argue that awareness for social injustices like this is a good thing.

But, as with many protests, despite how peaceful they start, it led to rioting in some instances, and one could argue that that turn was spurred by mob mentality, as opposed to organisation on social media.

2 hours ago, Admin said:

3. It is responsible for countless lives destroyed by cancel culture.

Very tricky issue to address, especially in the presence of someone who has, without a doubt, been cancelled. James Gunn wouldn't have made his suicide squad film without his "cancellation" letting him take a break from Marvel. Shane Dawson still gets millions of views and a HUGE amount of likes compared to dislikes. JK Rowling still releases books and writes scripts for an ongoing, highly budgeted blockbuster movie series. A lot of the time, the highly reported cancelling end up doing nothing. 

A lot of the time when it does really happen, you could argue that it was justified. Roseanne Barr likening a black woman as an ape is not something people want to support, and, under the name of cancel culture, got served the consequences.

But again, with Onision? Had a bit of a reputation for his brash and outspoken views, but definitely nothing to deserve the libel and slander which almost certainly led to his lower public perception online. I guess the only argument would be that tabloids did the same thing for decades before social media. It's more noticeable online now because there are just so many more online celebrities. But without social media, we may not be able to have nuanced discussions about the matter like this one.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

4. Right now there is a "shoot up your school" challenge on TikTok.

That would be t*rrible, but I've not seen any verifiable sources to prove this is true.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

5. Countless other shootings were aided by Social Media (like the "Subscribe To PewDiePie" shooting)

Was that aided by social media? The fact the m**derer who said "subscribe to pewdiepie" while shooting up a mosque has said that he was being inspired by far right message boards. Online spaces like that are being closed all of the time, and don't really reflect social medias as a whole.

If the argument is social media rewards attention, I would say that mass shootings get media attention with newspaper and TV anyway.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

6. A lot of people are encouraged to self-harm, like Eugenia Cooney, who starves herself and encourage others to starve themselves via Social Media.

Lives have also been SAVED by the access and spread of positive mental health messages spread online, such as by Onision.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

7. It makes total a***oles rich and famous.

That happens with or without social media. idk, something something capitalism bad.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

8.  It allows people to catfish each other.

That definitely happened long before social media. If you fall for it these days, you were probably going to fall for it back then too.

3 hours ago, Admin said:

9. It enables creepy people to do creepy things, like fury conventions... the NSFW kind... lmao.

I guess this one is a bit less serious than the others, because if it's legal and consensual, it's fair play, right? So it's just personal preferences. (I know you meant to say furry convention, but I love the idea of a convention for people who are just non stop furious)

3 hours ago, Admin said:

10. It gives people with no college education or real world experience to be listened to & seen as credible when they are not.

Again, I think that sadly happened already.

Just to be clear, I don't think any of the arguments I'm making are air-tight. Some of them I don't really agree with myself, I'm just saying them to keep the debate going. But I do think that a solution to so many problems with social media is to heavily restrict the access to it for ch*ldren and young teenagers. That seems to be the cause of a lot of these issues.

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1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Part of life is thickening our skins. Body and soul.

Yeah, the people at the capitol building should have just thickened their skin when social media pushed people to thr***en their lives/invade their job site. OR maybe humans are so tox*c that they should be limited on how much damage they can do to society on a wide scale???

That way... I donno... people wouldn't have to, all around the country, deal with insane mobs?

As for the current TikTok nightmare: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/tiktok-school-shooting-threats-prompt-closures-and-more-police

If you defend social media, you're probably part of the group that enjoys a**acking others and starting problems.

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2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Part of life is thickening our skins. Body and soul.

That is done through physical and mental conflict.

We are created to compete and it is a certain type of mental or physical competitor who is seen as a bully.

To your last.

We all make mistake buddy.

Girdle your loins tighter next time, and don't be such a wuss.

Kidding, sheehh.

Regards

DL

 

I think its funny how everyone else but you is just sharing their answer to the proposed question. Or making points to their opinion. However, you chose to call a fellow member a wuss without even knowing why I chose to stop posting to my personal account jokingly or not it just paints a much sadder picture of you dear. I stopped posting not because I was bullied, but because I do not agree with their censoring guidelines and how they pick and choose what should and should not be censored based on their own biases. As far as people making mistakes, I am well aware of that. Funny how you would also assume I would write people off for bad Facebook comments.  Although I found distaste in posts I have seen from friends that did not stop me from engaging with them in other posts or continuing to be their friend. I simply did not agree with them and chose not to engage. Are you unable to make a point without trying to throw someone beneath you? Perhaps that is needed to protect your thin skin? Just a question. All I did was provide some points on why I agree with the takedown of social media. The internet can still exist without it. And to your other point, cell phones can text, make phone calls, keep appointments, take photos and provide visual entertainment such as Netflix and other streaming channels. The sole use of a cell phone is not social media so why would someone have to give up their phone? In addition, before you ask, it took a while to answer you because I choose to evaluate what was said and make an educated decision as to how to respond without sounding as ignorant as the poster. I am sure none of this has bothered you as you skin is much thicker than mine so I am sure your response will be most professional. 

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12 hours ago, Admin said:

20 years ago social media was not controlling elections or starting riots/ending lives.

That's very true. US Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called out Mark Zuckerberg on letting politicians pay Facebook to spread disinformation and manipulate people into a wrongful vote. And since he's allowed that to happen. People other than myself know that there is a lot of people on these websites spreading misinformation. 

 

Biden called out Facebook for the spread of misinformation on Covid. 

 

12 hours ago, Admin said:

What is your evidence that things are getting better considering more people are seemingly d***g because of social media every year?

The Capital Riot proved that social media, Twitter and Facebook, needs to go. Because that's where the seed was planted for the Capital Riot. And if that's where things like this are beginning. Then maybe it's time it was taken away if it is causing problems like this on a massive scale. 

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The BBC's disinformation specialist, Marianna Spring, told the programme that the roots of the anger on display amongst Trump supporters can be traced back to before the presidential election.

"President Trump, on his own Twitter feed, amplified and suggested that this election was going to be rigged, that there was going to be fraudulent voting," she said.

Then, after the election, she saw lots of Facebook groups spring up using the term "stop the steal", echoing Trump's own language.

Article: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55592752

 

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21 minutes ago, Hitchens said:

The Capital Riot proved that social media, Twitter and Facebook, needs to go

You're not wrong that social media definitely caused the capitol riots, or at least acted as a catalyst. But my question is who should control what social media is allowed? China has a pretty strong grip on what can and cannot be done online, and they do so in the name of maintaining safety and social order

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10 hours ago, Admin said:

If you defend social media,

I do not.

I just know that a social animal like humans will continue to be social, be it via the net or live.

All the crap you point to was happening before the net's social media and will continue after.

We just do not like what we see today because we do not like that so many of us are as stupid or deranged as so many seem.

Regards

DL

 

9 hours ago, Bruja626 said:

I think its funny how everyone else but you is just sharing their answer to the proposed question. Or making points to their opinion. However, you chose to call a fellow member a wuss without even knowing why I chose to stop posting to my personal account jokingly or not it just paints a much sadder picture of you dear. I stopped posting not because I was bullied, but because I do not agree with their censoring guidelines and how they pick and choose what should and should not be censored based on their own biases. As far as people making mistakes, I am well aware of that. Funny how you would also assume I would write people off for bad Facebook comments.  Although I found distaste in posts I have seen from friends that did not stop me from engaging with them in other posts or continuing to be their friend. I simply did not agree with them and chose not to engage. Are you unable to make a point without trying to throw someone beneath you? Perhaps that is needed to protect your thin skin? Just a question. All I did was provide some points on why I agree with the takedown of social media. The internet can still exist without it. And to your other point, cell phones can text, make phone calls, keep appointments, take photos and provide visual entertainment such as Netflix and other streaming channels. The sole use of a cell phone is not social media so why would someone have to give up their phone? In addition, before you ask, it took a while to answer you because I choose to evaluate what was said and make an educated decision as to how to respond without sounding as ignorant as the poster. I am sure none of this has bothered you as you skin is much thicker than mine so I am sure your response will be most professional. 

I am not a pro, and advise as I see fit.

You showed you were a wuss and in these places where people come to argue, if you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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DL

13 minutes ago, stevenenjoysmilk said:

You're not wrong that social media definitely caused the capitol riots, or at least acted as a catalyst. But my question is who should control what social media is allowed? China has a pretty strong grip on what can and cannot be done online, and they do so in the name of maintaining safety and social order

Safety for the ruling elite and their hold on power. 

Certainly not for the greater welfare, freedom wise, of their people.

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3 minutes ago, stevenenjoysmilk said:

So the US has control over social media, but not for the ruling elite to hold onto power? Very confused about what your view is here

Because it is not simplistic.

If the government does not control social media, who does?

Think China and their restrictions, and the U.S. with theirs.

The ruling elite and political masters are our oligarchs, or under oligarch control.

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3 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

If the government does not control social media, who does?

I think it's the private companies that own the social media companies are in control of them. Is that not the case?

3 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Think China and their restrictions, and the U.S. with theirs.

Okay, the Chinese government seem to have control over social media in their country, while the US doesn't seem to in theirs. I think if the US government had control, something like the capitol riots would not have happened.

11 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

The ruling elite and political masters are our oligarchs,

yeah, that's generally what a government is.

11 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

or under oligarch control.

...like the Illuminati?

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41 minutes ago, stevenenjoysmilk said:

I think it's the private companies that own the social media companies are in control of them. Is that not the case?

To my understanding it is. I just think that the US government made laws saying that it can go over message and post records. 

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The rules governing the maintenance of Federal records and web records cover records associated with the utilization of social media. The maintenance of these records, in either electronic or print format, is the responsibility of the office or agency originating the content. Read the HHS Web Records Policy & Guidance to learn more about the required schedule for maintaining web records. Be sure to contact your Records Official to determine if there are additional considerations for records specific to social media. Read more from the National Archives on the Implications of Recent Web Technologies for NARA Web Guidance.

https://www.hhs.gov/web/social-media/policies/index.html#Accessibility2

 

1 hour ago, stevenenjoysmilk said:

But my question is who should control what social media is allowed? 

That is a very good question. And I think the government is working on making it more strict. Forbes posted an article about discussing on how social media should be more regulated.

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Platforms are business models that create marketplaces to match different parties with complementary interests, relying on what economists call ‘indirect network effects.’ Dating sites, eBay, Facebook, YouTube, and operating systems such as Android and iOS are all different types of platforms. Social media platforms connect consumers with digital content creators and typically monetize their interactions through advertising revenue. Since platforms do not generally create their content, they contend that they are not responsible for what users produce and are thus exempt from the libel, defamation, and other laws and regulations that govern traditional media like newspapers and television. In other words, they are platforms for free speech and assume no responsibility for what their users communicate.

This claim is correct to the extent that they create little of their own content (this varies). It is incorrect, however, to claim that they do not exercise editorial control over the content. Traditional television and newspapers are what we call broadcast journalism, meaning that they provide the same content to a broad, general audience. Social media platforms, by contrast, are ‘narrowcasters.’ Given their ability to pinpoint who you are, their algorithms choose content exclusively for what they think you want to hear and see, making frequent, personalized editorial decisions based on your browsing behavior on their platforms, other websites (e.g. if you use Facebook or Google to login), and geolocation information taken from your cell phone.

Article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/esade/2020/02/10/should-social-media-platforms-be-regulated/?sh=1d1bdac63370

 

1 hour ago, stevenenjoysmilk said:

My point is, if the US government were to have control of social media, who's to say they won't do the same thing?

You're very correct. We have no way of knowing what they will do with it when they get their hands on it when we had a president like Trump who used social media himself to incite a riot. 

It makes me wonder if any good can come of this. In my point of view, social media is becoming a very powerful tool that can be used to convince the public to do things like the Capital Riot. The influence that it has alone has proven to be dangerous. 

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Imo social media isn't necessarily a good thing or bad thing, it's not something that's biased one way or the other. It has the potential to be great and it has the potential to be what it is now. It all boils down to the user base. People s*ck, and they choose to s*ck even harder online through a sense of security and superiority that is brought on by surrounding themselves with like minded individuals-even if what they are like minded in is wrong. Misinformation is spread because users refuse to look into things themselves, and instead choose to believe whatever headline is thrown together to snatch their attention. It doesnt influence elections anymore than TV and radio did when they came out. Whether it's run by private companies or by the government, the result would ultimately be the same. People are flawed, they are biased, and they have ego. Anyone with power over anything will try to push their own agenda, because they will refuse to accept the possibility they may be wrong. 

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8 hours ago, Mel Gibson said:

I do not.

I just know that a social animal like humans will continue to be social, be it via the net or live.

All the crap you point to was happening before the net's social media and will continue after.

We just do not like what we see today because we do not like that so many of us are as stupid or deranged as so many seem.

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DL

 

I am not a pro, and advise as I see fit.

You showed you were a wuss and in these places where people come to argue, if you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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DL

Safety for the ruling elite and their hold on power. 

Certainly not for the greater welfare, freedom wise, of their people.

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DL

LOL you're funny. and I don't have time to back and fourth with you so I will be the adult and bow out. Hope your life goes better than it has been and you find joy in other ways. Good luck to you. 

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Social media has been a blessing and a curse. One of the scariest things I’ve heard about was something my daughter in law told me was a trend on tiktok last spring.

The videos have probably been taken down now but these guys were saying they were declaring a day( I think it was supposed to be may 15 but I don’t remember) where it would be legal and ok to **** or se*ual ab**e women. 

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